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Tire stability rear

FastCletus
I am running a 120/90/18 on my 1980 cb750f. After a 150 mile road with my girlfriend on the back (I am 200lbs and she is 140lbs)  the rear end felt real unstable   I think the tire is too skinny.  Been reading some threads but haven't seen one that answers my question.

Being that her and I plan to ride alot (with saddle bags in the future) what size tire should I use or is what I have on as good as its gonna get.    I would assume a bigger tire would make it more stable. If so how big?

Front tire size is 100/90/19
@FastCletus552 aka Jimmy C, buildin' rides out of Napa CA
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Re: Tire stability rear

FastCletus
What about 130/80/18?  What is everyone else riding?  
Size? Brand?
Are you happy with it?
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I think you should go with at least a 250.
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FastCletus
I am sure there is humor in that but its monday and I am too tired and brain dead to get it.  
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sgtslag
There was an article published (MCN?...) a few years ago, which discussed the practice of using ever widening tires on the back end of bikes.  The upshot was that the author had been using wider tires, thinking it would give better stability; he was afraid that narrow tires, like what the manufacturer originally spec'ed out for the bike, would fall into turns/leans, and he was afraid to try it.  Long story short, he finally put the specified, narrower tire on his older bike:  it never fell into turns, and it handled even better than it had with the excessively wide tires (tires wider than OEM spec's)!

Check the wheel bearings, chain tension, rear wheel alignment, front and rear suspension (fork fluid ever get changed?), etc.  What kind of tire, how many miles, how deep is the tread?  Are they more than three years old?  Are they properly balanced?  If it is a tube tire, is the tube alright, bead seal intact?  Do both tires have proper air pressure?

I would suggest going over the suspension system, front and rear.  My wife and I rode two-up, combined weight of around 400 lbs. plus luggage, on our '79 K model, with OEM suspension (was tired, but it never squirreled around on us), as well as Progressive Fork Springs, and 12-Series/412 shocks (can't remember which one it was), which made it ride like a modern bike (worth every penny!).  We rode 1,935 miles on the OEM suspension, touring, without issue.

Are the rear Shocks leaking oil?  They were sealed, maintenance-free units if OEM, but they do wear out, over time, and with miles.  Check their function to see that they each react the same.  Check the spring settings on both rear Shocks: are they set the same?  If not, correct it -- this can make the entire bike unstable.  Check the front Fork Springs, to make sure they're the same length, and that they have equal amounts of fluid in them (leaking seals?  fix it ASAP).  Check to make sure they have the same spacers installed, if any.

Sometimes the source of the problem will project the symptoms to another area on the bike.  That is why I suggest checking front suspension, as well as rear.  Check the bike over thoroughly, no matter what.  Riding two-up, you are responsible for the life of your passenger.  You owe it to them to be as safe as possible -- their life, literally, depends upon it.

Had a 40 MPH low-side last Fall when the rear inner tube blew out.  I had my youngest son on board, age 24 now -- he had some minor road rash, I was unharmed, but it could have cost me his life.  It was a factory defect in the tube, according to my mechanic, so it wasn't possible to prevent, or anticipate it.

Lot's of things to look into.  I wish you the very best of luck.  Cheers!
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Re: Tire stability rear

FastCletus
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thanks for the 411.  I have new rear shocks on order, and before i get new tires, I plan on riding with the new rear shocks.  The ones i have on the bike are old but have low miles on them.  My front forks have new springs.  The rear just felt bouncy, so I guess after saying that out loud, thats more of a suspension issue than a tire.  
Sooo with all that being said, is the general consensus that the 120/90/18 on the rear is good, and going up is really not going to help much?

 
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sgtslag
How much do you trust the Honda design engineers?  They specified the tire size.  Do you think the Internet jockies can do a better job?...  

Don't take me wrong, I'm not suggesting everything should be OEM only.  It is just something to give careful consideration to.  Wider won't be detrimental, unless it rubs.  The handling may decline slightly, but not drastically.  Cheers!
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Rodgil
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I went to a 130/80 18 rear tire on my 82 CB750F when the dealer didn't have a 120 in stock. Have now used both Metzler Lasertech (got 5000 miles out of it) and now using Bridgestone BT45. Both tires are listed on the tire companys website as suitable for that rim size. Didn't notice any difference from using the original 120 width size. Still using 100/90 19 front Metzler, almost worn out after 9000 miles.
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FastCletus
Well had to reorder rear shocks. I accidentally ordered eye to eye and not eye to clevis.  Partsnmore out of canada want me to ship shocks back to canada via USPS only and to the tune of $42.  (they ship out of US, but I can't ship back to their US address)  So they said for me to sell on Ebay.  Thanks partsnmore.  really appreciate the effort

Already have a new set on order from a company in WA should be here Saturday.  My current rear is pretty good on tread, and its a metzler.  so like I said I will try it out, and when that tire wears out look at either stciking to same tire size or going up.  With the majority of you folks saying the 120 is just fine, and I agree with Honda engineers, will more  than likely just stick with the current tire size.

@FastCletus552 aka Jimmy C, buildin' rides out of Napa CA
Current Build 1980 CB 750 F
Finished Build 1975 CB 500T Cafe Racer - SOLD
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Rodgil
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Just a thought, if the rear shocks were the original FVQ brand, did you try the FSM adjustments for pillion rider? Did you go to at least 40 psi tyre pressure? Also, I have found the bike moves around more in side wind, with passanger or top box fitted.
1982 CB750F
1978 Triumph Tiger 750
197? Yamaha DT175
197? Hodaka ACE 100