die casting and sand casting

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die casting and sand casting

met
hi,

can someone explain to me the difference between die casting and sand casting?

why is a bike that is sand casted worth so much more and how does one know if they have a sand cast bike?

cheers
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The simple explanation of sand casting is where a mold is made out of a mixture of sand, and clay.  The sand is pressed around, and into, the master, forming a mold, The master is then removed (the sand mold is made in two, separable, halves.  Then the halves are put together, and molten metal is poured into it, to form, and cool.  After the metal cools, the sand is removed, destroying the mold, and the finished shape is pulled out.  This gives a rough surface on the molded metal parts, due to the grainy surface texture of the sand mold.

Die-cast is a method where a (typically) metal mold is used to cast parts, but the metal mold is not destroyed in the process, it is re-usable.  The die-cast molds have smooth surfaces, which yields smooth surfaces on the cast parts.

Honda used sand-casting for the first year, only, back in 1969.  Mr. Honda wanted to get the bike into production as soon as possible, and making metal molds takes quite a bit of time.  He wanted to beat his competition (mostly British, and German) to market with a super-bike:  inline four cylinder, 750 cc displacement (very large for the time); front disk brake; and other features.  None were new ideas, but until then, no one had put them all together on a single bike.  The other thing about the Honda 750, was that it worked, without leaking oil profusely.  One commentator, a British fellow, stated that the bike worked so smoothly, and well, that it was quite boring, really -- you didn't have to work on it on the roadside, as you drove, because it didn't break down like all of the other makers' bikes!  It was quite a splash on the motorcycle scene, back in 1969.  Cheers!
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Good explanation there Sarg. Another reason the sand cast are, so expensive is, there are not very many of them left.
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yeah thanks for the explanation sgtslag.
i know what you mean about them being smooth as i have a k2 model.
it must have been quite something else when this bike entered the market for the very
1st time.....a milestone in history  i would say and a time anyone would like to be present...

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I was four years old in '69.  I remember watching the Moon landing, on TV, live, but I don't remember anything about motorcycles from that year.  

I entered High School in '79, the year my K was made.  My father was into biking since the early 70's.  For me, the early 80's were a golden age of motorcycling.  I love the teardrop designs from that period.  My K is a classic example of the style that I really like.  I am still amazed by that piece of old technology.  My wife and I rode it, two up, just us, no one else, around Lake Superior, in 2009.  It ran flawlessly the entire 1,935 mile trip!  Honda made one phenomenal motorcycle that year.  I will always remember my K, no matter the years, or what happens to it.  It is a motorcycling icon, and it earned its reputation.

Never laid eyes on a K0, but...  I would love to!  To ride one would be a dream come true.  Some dreams, however, will always be just that.  Cheers!
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yeah it was a very good bike....

i had one myself similar to this one but in red.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0tuuoMlLyI&feature=related

i remember buying it and noticing there was no kick start and having to worry
that it didnt come with one, in the case of breakdowns, etc.

i owned it for 4 years during my time at uni here in sydney and not once did it ever let me down in any way............rain, hail or shine, it started first go every time and it was trully a treasure.

it had a small black plastic fusebox to the centre of the handle bars and i remember the only think that irritated me with it was that it had an ever so small leak in the brake fluid reservoir cap....
i think the reservoir had a very small crack which i couldnt see but never bad that it got to the paint and it stayed a constant problem that i had to refill the reservoir once every two or three weeks....

but yes, i agree.......what a bike!!!!