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1974 Honda CB750k4

Tstv21
I just bought a 74 cb750k4 from a private seller. I rode it home, everything seemed fine. The next day I went ahead and drained the oil, 10w40 I believe it was. Anyway, I went ahead and added 20w50 because I live in Texas and it's hot as shit. I put in a new oil filter.

Anyhow, a day later I attempted to start it and it wouldn't. The engine would turn but nuthin - I applied the choke and everything. In addition, the oil light is still on. I added roughly 3.5-3.7 gallons/quarts. In addition, oil would leak slightly from where the oil filter is. I tightened it but it continued to leak everytime I tried to start it. Can anybody help me?

Is it possible that I don't have enough gasoline? Or could it be electrical?  
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Even in TX, you do not need 20W-50. 10W-40 is perfect for these engines. I hope you did not put in anything more then 1 gallon, or 4 quarts. If you put in 3-4 gallons of 20W-50 that engine is not going to be able to turn over.
You must have not gotten to O-ring on the filter housing on correctly if it is leaking there.
When the engine turns over, are you getting spark at the plugs?
Also you can download the factory service manual from the manuals thread at the top of the home page here.
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1976 CB 750-A X 2
1977 CB 750-A X 4
1977 CB 750-K
1976 CB 750 F
1981 CB 750
1966 Kawasaki SG 250
1981 KZ 750 LTD
1973 CB 350
1979 CM 185 Twinstar
1982 Honda XL 80
South of Eden (Kansas City MO)
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I went ahead and reverted the oil back to 10w40 and had the same outcome. I also fixed the oil filer (i had put it in incorrectly). Now I'm waiting on a new battery (battery tender something or other) to see if that's the issue. I purchased four new spark plugs but I had disconnected the spark plug wires. They all look the same to me and I completely forgot where they are supposed to be connected too. I'm not a motorcycle mechanic and don't know much about this stuff so thanks for helping out.

Anyway, this is what I'm trying to figure out.........


This picture above is tilted to the left for some reason.

This picture is upside down, but just simply shows where the spark plugs are supposed to be.

And these are the four wires that i've got. I know the shorter two wires are connected the the spark plugs closest to each other. And that the longer two are connected to the spark plugs farthest to one another. The problem is that I'm unsure where they are supposed to be connected to the green thing which i assume is connected to the starter in some way.
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The green things are aftermarket coils. The one on the left should have the two long wires attached to it and the other ends connected to the two outside plugs. The one on the right should have the two short wires attached to it and the other ends to the inside plugs.
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Life is not about the number of breaths, you take, but the moments that take your breath away.
I don't have an anger problem. I have an idiot problem. Hank Hill
Never confuse education for intelligence.
Happiness is a belt fed weapon.
I just can't imagine what could go wrong.
No fire? No explosions? So whats the point of your story?
Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber. ~Plato
It couldn't be done, but the darn fool didn't know it, and did it anyway.
We all got problems. Ksharp
I like vintage bikes because they take me away from the clutter of technology that I work with everyday and back to a simpler time of mechanical elegance and simplicity.. "ninadm"
Darkwing Duck: The worst part of public transportation is the Public.
"That is awesome shit there" Re-Run
"Fear nothing, attack everything" Eric Berry
" Oh, you read that on the internet? Clearly it IS a massive problem. Of course it CAN’t be normal operation."

1976 CB 750-A X 2
1977 CB 750-A X 4
1977 CB 750-K
1976 CB 750 F
1981 CB 750
1966 Kawasaki SG 250
1981 KZ 750 LTD
1973 CB 350
1979 CM 185 Twinstar
1982 Honda XL 80
South of Eden (Kansas City MO)
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Tstv21
Alright well I connected the two long wires to the coil left of the picture and the other ends to the farthest sparkplugs. The shorter wires were connected to the coil right of the picture and the other ends to the middle plugs just as you told me.

I got a new battery installed with good voltage - better voltage than the previous battery. Oil is at a good level in accordance to the dipstick (10w40). Put in new gas, enough to fire up the engine and still cause it to turn over. I'm thinking it may be the carbs.

If I remove the carburators and simply clean them, will I still have to sync them or no?
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Depends on how far you go. If you pull the slides out, then yes you will have to sync them. However, it is likely that will be needed anyways. Before you pull out the mix screw, turn then in slowly, counting how many turns it requires to lightly seat them. Write it down for when you put them back in. Make sure you don't lose the springs or washers that are under those little screws. Be sure that every hole on all the jets is open.
The ride IS the adventure. The destination is just to get gas!
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On the oil filter, it should be in this order -->

Put the screw on the oil cap, put in the oil filter, then the washer, and finally the spring which you then connect to the bike. Correct?
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It goes into the oil filter housing in this order, 1 spring, 2 washer, 3 oil filter.
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Life is not about the number of breaths, you take, but the moments that take your breath away.
I don't have an anger problem. I have an idiot problem. Hank Hill
Never confuse education for intelligence.
Happiness is a belt fed weapon.
I just can't imagine what could go wrong.
No fire? No explosions? So whats the point of your story?
Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber. ~Plato
It couldn't be done, but the darn fool didn't know it, and did it anyway.
We all got problems. Ksharp
I like vintage bikes because they take me away from the clutter of technology that I work with everyday and back to a simpler time of mechanical elegance and simplicity.. "ninadm"
Darkwing Duck: The worst part of public transportation is the Public.
"That is awesome shit there" Re-Run
"Fear nothing, attack everything" Eric Berry
" Oh, you read that on the internet? Clearly it IS a massive problem. Of course it CAN’t be normal operation."

1976 CB 750-A X 2
1977 CB 750-A X 4
1977 CB 750-K
1976 CB 750 F
1981 CB 750
1966 Kawasaki SG 250
1981 KZ 750 LTD
1973 CB 350
1979 CM 185 Twinstar
1982 Honda XL 80
South of Eden (Kansas City MO)
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I'm in Texas as well. Sounds like you should just sell it to me...
I put the "G" in Jihad.
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If I were to sell it, I'd sell it for the exact amount I paid which was 4k. I couldn't accept anything less. I've only had it for a single week and got to just ride it home, but already it's giving me problems. I'd love to fix it but damn.
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Well, you have a 74, and aside from having 4 cylinders, bikes don't get much easier to work on. I got my 78 when I was 19 or so, and it seems like it is daunting at first. I didn't even have a worthwhile manual in the beginning. Then I got a clymers, which when I look back, still wasn't worthwhile. The work itself is actually fairly simple, it just isn't always straight-forward. For example, rebuilding the front brake. It is easy to do, just isn't easy to do right the first time, unless someone tells you certain things to look for. But once you know those things, no problem.

The same is getting you here. Best thing you can do is get the manual here. Go through the baseline tuning steps, then go through troubleshooting steps. These 2 things can weed out a number of problem but either fixing them, or bringing them to light so you can fix them now instead of finding out about them later.

You also have to think of it this way, you bought a 42 year old bike. Now, how old are you? Good chance the bike is as old, or older, than you are. Many of these bikes get some care, many don't. So, you are now working against age, and a PO that didn't really know what he/she was doing.

However, once you get done doing the work, you will look back and wonder why you were worried in the first place. You will be a more than a leg up over all the riders who just get a bike and don't even know how to change their oil. And that feeling is awesome. You will be part of a diminishing group of riders that also knows how to fix their bike.

So now after the wall of text, lets go to the beginning.

Oil, unless you have too much, won't stop the engine from starting. So, lets look at fuel and spark.
First, we need to make sure your carbs are getting gas. Simple, hook 4 pieces of clear fuel tubing to the drain nipples under the float bowls. Turn them up so the end is above the fuel bowl and there are no kinks. Now, turn the petcock on to run/normal. Open the drain screws then. Each tube should fill to about the same level, and it will usually be just below the top of the fuel bowl. But each tube should have fuel levels similar to the other tubes. If they don't fill, try turning to reserve. If levels are really uneven, then setting float height is needed.

If fuel fills the tubes good, then you should be getting fuel to the carbs and thus to the engine. But, if in doubt, get a can of "Start Ya Bastard" also known as starting fluid! Pull the airbox off and spray in TINY spritzes of fluid. It is extremely volatile! If the engine still does not even fire slightly, we know it is electrical. If the tubes do not fill, then something is blocking fuel flow, likely in the tank.

First step is to find out what ignition system you are running. You WILL need to know this. With those aftermarket coils, my bet is going to be a dyna system of some sort. Regardless, I doubt it is points and so the manual won't help for those settings, but manuals are available for whatever ignition you may have. However, occasionally you will find aftermarket 5 ohm coils and points.

We will stop here. Make sure fuel is getting to the carbs and that you know what ignition system you have. Once the above has been done, we can move forward.
The ride IS the adventure. The destination is just to get gas!
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Okay, I went ahead and turned the petcock to 'On' and unscrewed the drain plugs but no gas would come out of the drain tubes - not any of the four released gas. I turned it to reserve and there it would go ahead and release gas from the drain plugs, not the tubes. The gasoline would just come out of where I unscrewed the drain plugs. Now I can't add gasoline to try and check again, but I do have enough gasoline in there to start the bike.

What I realized now is that the battery seemed to have lost power or something because the bike would no longer turn over. I pressed the start button and nothing. The neutral light and oil light were dim on the dash. So now the bike doesn't turn over, leading me to believe the problem might be electrical too?

This is the order of how i plugged the spark plug wires......

This is in the front view of the motorcycle.
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The clear tube method of setting the floats will not work on those carbs unless you have a special tool that screws in in place of the drain screw, and has a nipple to attach the clear tubing to. Also you are probably low on gas, and that is why you only got gas while on reserve.
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Life is not about the number of breaths, you take, but the moments that take your breath away.
I don't have an anger problem. I have an idiot problem. Hank Hill
Never confuse education for intelligence.
Happiness is a belt fed weapon.
I just can't imagine what could go wrong.
No fire? No explosions? So whats the point of your story?
Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber. ~Plato
It couldn't be done, but the darn fool didn't know it, and did it anyway.
We all got problems. Ksharp
I like vintage bikes because they take me away from the clutter of technology that I work with everyday and back to a simpler time of mechanical elegance and simplicity.. "ninadm"
Darkwing Duck: The worst part of public transportation is the Public.
"That is awesome shit there" Re-Run
"Fear nothing, attack everything" Eric Berry
" Oh, you read that on the internet? Clearly it IS a massive problem. Of course it CAN’t be normal operation."

1976 CB 750-A X 2
1977 CB 750-A X 4
1977 CB 750-K
1976 CB 750 F
1981 CB 750
1966 Kawasaki SG 250
1981 KZ 750 LTD
1973 CB 350
1979 CM 185 Twinstar
1982 Honda XL 80
South of Eden (Kansas City MO)