Chains 0-ring and x-ring

[TOOLS1]

If there is anything lubricating the chain from the engine oiling system. It is either a leak that needs to be repaired, or, you have a Harley Davidson engine. In that case just add oil.
I think what the manual is talking about (a lot gets lost in translation) is the routine maintenance of the bike.
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[sgtslag]

The recommendation is to apply a chain lube every 300 miles, or so.  The lube I use is DuPont Teflon Multi-Use, Dry Wax Lubricant, discussed here:

http://www.webbikeworld.com/t2/motorcycle-chain-lube/dupont-teflon-chain-saver/

This stuff is readily available at most automotive/hardware stores that carry lubricants.  Supposedly, it will not require you to clean the chain nearly as often, if it is applied regularly, which is another reason to try it.  Cheers!

[shinyribs]

Good bit of info,Thanks Sarge

[Piute]

those lubes that say wont fly off stay were put
Well so does ever thing that touches it dirt / sand, You'll have to clean then reapply your sticky oil
  better just to use clean oil and put in on ,quick wipe with rag (just enough to stop flying around you wont the oil down inside not on surface anyhow
 my ole Pan-Head had an oil spot the size of a silver dollor overnight was the chain oiler,sure glad I never stepped in it,

[shinyribs]

The o-rings chains hold their own oil inside,for the pins and rollers,right?So the external oil is for the sprockets sake?Or am i way off?

[Piute]

 you should have a heavy white grease for the gear,But I'd check with brand chain company,
   There no such thing as a chain that dont need oil,
   They are in the market to sell chains
   I've always ran an "O" ring chain ,this new "X" thing let someone else try it for a couple years  they could be great but not a prices Ive seen,buy 3 standard chains ,thats 3 yrs at least....Piute...

[TOOLS1]

Right on the money there shinny.
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[shinyribs]

the whole O vs X thing.   if it hasnt leaked in the past,a seal is a seal    but im new to this so.....

[TOOLS1]

I remember when there was no such thing as an o-ringed chain. We sprayed foaming lube on them, we adjusted them, and we did not whine about it. Because that's the way it was!
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[shinyribs]

Ahhh,the good ole days....glad im too young for 'emdang missed 'em

[Piute]

Missed them to but caught the bad ole days what a blastThese day are getting oldbut when I'm riding it's MY DAY>>>Piute<<<

[shinyribs]

This is from:http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/Honda/honda_cb750k%2070.htm



The five-speed transmission is hefty and the size of its gearsets appear well up to handling the CB750's maximum rated torque (44.12 lb.-ft. at 7000 rpm). In basic design, it differs only slightly from previous Honda practice. Where the shifting drum, in other models, acts as fork carrier, it is used only for locating the forks in the 750. The forks actually pivot on two large pins. The seven clutch plates are of a semi-neoprene material; Honda has used metal plates but found them troublesome. Provision for automatic final drive chain oiling is made through the drive sprocket; oil passes through a drillway in the shaft and is thrown out onto the sprocket by centrifugal force. There is an extra shaft in the transmission—a transfer shaft, which picks up power from the countershaft to deliver it to the final drive chain.


Also:http://en.allexperts.com/q/Motorcycle-Repair-837/2008/7/1975-Honda-CB750K.htm


So, whats up here?

[TOOLS1]

I think they are on crack! "Turn them off" How the hell would, you turn them off? I have read several Honda service manuals, and never heard of it. I do know that the seal behind the sprocket can, and will leak. And how would they regulate the flow? There is nothing in the transmission to act as a pump. Also what would happen if the damn thing pumped too much oil out? The engine would blow! Would Honda be stupid enough to expose themselves to that kind of liability? I think not!
Again, if there is engine oil lubricating your chain, you have a leak, and need to repair it!
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[ksharp]

little side note question here i know its important to relube the chain when its hot but i have degreased my chain and re lubed but it seems like after a long thrash it gets automaticlly loose is this because im not doing proper care taking of it or that im no making sure the swing arm bolts arnt tight enough, i have a gixer swing arm fyi

[shinyribs]

I know what you mean Tools.When i first heard about  so called "self oilers" i decided to turn mine off.Never found it.Referred to the almighty manual...never found it.Asked two local bike mechanics...they never found it.  What the heck are these people talking about?  I know im new to cb's but c'mon.How about a picture,if it exists.

[TOOLS1]

I think Bigfoot had it on his bike, but he had the Lockness Monster turn it off, for him.
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[TOOLS1]

Ksharp How old is your chain? How many miles are on it? Is it an O-ring chain?
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[sgtslag]

Chains stretch, over time, becoming too long, and too weak, which is why the adjuster, on the rear wheel, has a red zone, indicating it is time to replace your chain.  Not trying to insult your intelligence, if you were asking something else.  Sorry.

With regards to oil pressure in a "self oiling system", my understanding of hydraulic systems is that the pressure is the same, throughout the entire system, so pressure regulation is unnecessary, as it would be at a maximum of 72 PSI @7,000 RPM, anyway; as oil was lost from the system,however, oil pressure would drop, until there was none...  This would happen immediately prior to the engine seizing.


Chain oilers exist, and they claim to achieve outstanding results (Scott Oiler, for example), but they're all after-market, with their own, separate, oil supply, which suffers 100% loss, needing to be refilled periodically.  There is no way Honda would design a system to dump any amount of crankcase oil onto the chain.  That is just foolishness.

[shinyribs]

sarge,you will never insult my intelligence     i have none!  I am always open to any infothx bud