I'm confused

[shinyribs]

I don't watch much,if any TV,but I do listen to my radio. I heard about this over the radio when it happened. It sounded bad,there was nothing I could personally do,so I tried to forget about it. But this is quite interesting!

Worth a look....

[cdaiscool]

So is this:

http://www.reddit.com/r/skeptic/comments/16lkhq/this_sandy_hook_conspiracy_video_has_been_making/c7xjgzr


For those that don't wanna click:

Reddit User wrote

Since no one has really taken the time to debunk this here you go:

First off I want to note - the main contributor of information in this video and around this conspiracy is Alex Jones. He is, in my opinion, a paranoid nutjob, as was pretty evident by his CNN interview - seriously skip to 3 minutes in and tell me this guy is sane. (My intent here is not ad hominem, just wanted to give some context as to the presenters of these "facts" and their origins) Now that that's out of the way let's look at the content of the video...

Theory 1: The first thing the video tries to allege is that there is a second shooter. They love to grab early media footage and then use that as "evidence" of their claims, as if the media's first reporting is somehow golden. Odd that conspiracy theorists distrust the media, then turn around and use its raw reporting claims as evidence. Anyway, you can easily google and figure out who the guy in the woods was.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Y6C2YmOLWnM
He is the father of a student there and the athletic director at the highschool. He was on his way to the school to help make gingerbread houses with 1st graders when he heard the shots. He was unarmed, arrested, detained, questioned, and let go. The story of the guy in the woods was a dead end, so the media dropped it. That is the problem with the 24 hour news cycle, they will report any lead they get before sorting out facts. However, this is hardly evidence of a conspiracy.
The video even makes the ridiculous claim that since the guy was sitting in the FRONT of the police car, that he must have some "crazy" credentials. Yeah, what is more likely...that this guy was a concerned father or that he was a man with some "crazy" credentials on a black ops mission to shoot up a school but he just didn't have the skills to properly vacate, and so he ended up getting himself captured by lowly local law enforcement, AND broadcast on national tv, potentially exposing his super secret black op? C'mon.

Theory 2: The gun discrepancy. This can be chalked up to contradictory reporting, which is going to happen when the media competes with itself to be the first one to break any new details. There have already been articles clearing up the discrepancies: http://edition.cnn.com/2012/12/18/us/connecticut-lanza-guns/index.html

Theory 3: The nurse is fake and does not exist. This is completely false, and has been debunked with evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r61PvN4U3x0

Theory 4: The laughing/crying father. This means absolutely nothing. No one can judge how a father copes with the loss of his daughter, and it's offensive that people are criticizing him for it. I have been to several funerals, I have witnessed family members and friends switch in and out of laughter and tears. They think of fond memories of the one they lost, they tell stories, they laugh, and they cry. People grieve in different ways. To me it does not seem right to criticize his reaction here, and it's not evidence of a conspiracy.

Theory 5: Emillie Parker is not dead. This is the most absurd thing I have seen so far in the video. The video alleges not only that the girl is not dead, but that the parents were so stupid they brought out the wrong sister for the photo op. What? Do people honestly believe that? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTaC580hfPo It's a picture of her sister. Obviously. They look alike because, you know, they're sister's. This guy uses the same photoshop trick as the conspiracy video and gets the same effect. Check out their noses in this picture for further evidence: http://i.imgur.com/iSuf4.jpg

Theory 6: One piece of footage of the crime scene does not show many ambulances and shows no children. The author claims this means this was all staged. He goes on to say that only one ambulance was there the whole time and they quickly blocked off all exits. The problem with this is twofold. Firstly, there are several pictures of multiple ambulances (here are a few):
http://imgur.com/hb6kZ,XGWSd#1
http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/connecticut-school-shooting-official-says-gunman-killed-85094.html
Secondly, this footage that the videos author is commenting on looks to be taken well after the shooting took place, which easily explains why there aren't a bunch of ambulances around and no one is panicking anymore. More things taken out of context because they fit the authors narrative.

Theory 7: Time stamps on the webpage set up for donations state the page was created before the shootings took place. Google search results do not always accurately reflect the date the content was published. Example) Here is a date restrictive search of sandy hook, listing all articles that appear to be published before the shooting took place. Well shit, according to google this there are articles and videos from these dates talking about the shooting: Jan 14, 2012 , Jun 19, 2012 , Sept 16, 2012 ..well before the shooting took place. Debunked.

Addition: People keep bringing up the facebook page that was made prior to the shooting. The creator of the page said they had made an unrelated page previously, it had no fans in it. After the shootings took place, she renamed the page to be a memorial for one of the victims. This changed the URL, but kept the original creation date of the group. Many claim this is not possible or this is not how facebook works. Here is proof that it is: http://imgur.com/a/U6wWH

Theory 8: There was a planned FEMA meeting scheduled 20 minutes from the time of the shooting which helped slow down the response time of first responders.(Added due to popular demand). I went to the emergency services website for CT to investigate this. This class is offered regularly. It was offered on 11/17, 11/27, 12/3, 12/6, 12/14, and 12/17. In fact, digging a little deeper you can see they have had training classes like these for a long time, such as this one way back on 4/2/2012 called Emergency Planning for Schools (2 day course):
http://www.ct.gov/demhs/ical/eventDetail_page.asp?date_ID=CACBCCCDCE83CDCACA
These tragedies have been happening for awhile, and so has training people to respond to them. Debunked.
Other stuff: The people that made this video clearly have their own agenda, which is why they keep bringing up 9/11 and the London bombings (two completely unrelated events). Any time a large, tragic event occurs, many of these conspiracy theorists do their best to gather all of the media reports, then pick and choose to take the media out of context and create their own crazy conspiracy driven narrative for the events that took place. If you are skeptical of this video, you should be. It's crap.

[Lucky 1]

I am sure a lot of people ran from the shooting. It does not mean they are suspects.
Wouldn't you run? Of course.

[shinyribs]

Well,I'm sure people did run. But how many were chased,handcuffed and drove away in squad cars? never to be heard from again.


I'm not saying I believe ant of it. But the dates on the FB accounts are interesting.

[Piute]

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=I%27m+so+confused%2CJohn+travolta&b=&fr=ie8

[seestheday]

Did you guys read the full reddit article that c da posted?

[cdaiscool]

You can rename a group later. It retains the original start-up date but looks new. Someone had made an account for unrelated something, then her friend died so she turned it into a memorial page iirc.

Read the 1st link I posted. Its completely debunked, the video. There was no 2nd shooter, and 'unheard from again'? Trying to say there were people kidnapped by the police? I am confused by that line. Nobody was handcuffed and taken away and not heard from again. Only the teacher that was in the woods was a 2nd suspect AFAIK and he was cleared. I doubt a trained 2nd shooter government assassin will forget how to get out of a local law enforcement dragnet. Especially while there is mass panic involving little kids.

[cdaiscool]

More on the FB thing since you mention the dates.

 Addition: People keep bringing up the facebook page that was made prior to the shooting. The creator of the page said they had made an unrelated page previously, it had no fans in it. After the shootings took place, she renamed the page to be a memorial for one of the victims. This changed the URL, but kept the original creation date of the group. Many claim this is not possible or this is not how facebook works. Here is proof that it is: http://imgur.com/a/U6wWH

[shinyribs]

seestheday wrote

Did you guys read the full reddit article that c da posted?

Absolutely! Even though we may be talking via internet over the period of several days I still consider it to be a converstaion and would not ignore anyones input. Even though Craig does apparently have a screw or two loose...remember Operation Frozen Nipple? 

One part of Craig's post that I thought hit the nail on the head: " Odd that conspiracy theorists distrust the media, then turn around and use its raw reporting claims as evidence."

For the record,I never intended to imply that I bought in to this theory. Only that I thought it was interesting.

Do I think Homeland was contracted as mercenaries in Sandy Hook? No way!

Do I think the Gov't would use the media to promote their gun control agenda? 100% YES!

The United States Gov't has been known to intend to scare the public before in order to get their way. On our own soil and risking our own people's safety at that! Google "Operation Northwoods" and have a look-see. Better yet,here it is: WIKI

"Operation Northwoods, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war."

Just sayin'...

Of course,dont forget Operation Dirty Trick:

It also includes Operation Dirty Trick, a plot to blame Castro if the 1962 Mercury manned space flight carrying John Glenn crashed, saying: "The objective is to provide irrevocable proof that, should the MERCURY manned orbit flight fail, the fault lies with the Communists et al. Cuba [sic]." It continues, "This to be accomplished by manufacturing various pieces of evidence which would prove electronic interference on the part of the Cubans."

All's well that ends well,right?

"Following presentation of the Northwoods plan, Kennedy removed Lemnitzer as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, although he became Supreme Allied Commander of NATO in January 1963."

Hmmm, And they wonder why the People don't trust the Gov't...

[cdaiscool]

I agree 1,000% that the government would potentially use its own citizens as bait, but not Sandy Hook. Its got too much evidence to the contrary.

For proof of actual use of unaware citizen experiments, check out what the CIA did involving hookers in the '50s and '60s. http://healthland.time.com/2012/03/23/the-legacy-of-the-cias-secret-lsd-experiments-on-america/

I just believe that stuff like this, today, would be excruciatingly difficult to pull off.

[shinyribs]

I'm with you on Sandy Hook,just to be clear.

And the Gov't need us citizens. We're their paycheck

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[shinyribs]

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