Need your help Hondamatic 750 owners

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Need your help Hondamatic 750 owners

birdmannn101
Finally got this 76 CB750A with a 78 wire harness and 78 indicator running after cleaning the carbs. I asked earlier if the rear wheel spun in Neutral and some people said, "Yes." It starts in Neutral with the side kickstand down. Wheel spins and can't be stopped with your foot. Apply gas and the wheel spins faster (like it might be in "L" gear). Raise side stand and pull shift lever up and it goes into "L" and the wheel stops. Add throttle and wheel stays stationary. Pull shift lever up again and it goes into "H" gear, wheels starts spinning and will go faster if you add throttle. Drop the side stand and it goes back to Neutral and wheel keeps spinning.
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1976 CB 750-A X 2
1977 CB 750-A X 4
1977 CB 750-K
1976 CB 750 F
1981 CB 750
1966 Kawasaki SG 250
1981 KZ 750 LTD
1973 CB 350
1979 CM 185 Twinstar
1982 Honda XL 80
South of Eden (Kansas City MO)
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I wouldn't worry about what the bike dies while on the center stand. If you are stopped and put it in neutral, does the bike try to move forward on its own? If not, leave it.

Considering that Tools owns about half the A bikes in the world, he does not seem to be concerned about it either. I think you should be ok.

While not autos, my 78 does this and so does my 06 yamaha.
The ride IS the adventure. The destination is just to get gas!
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birdmannn101
Well, I just took it for a test drive and it drives great in Neutral and "H"  In "L" it doesn't go anywhere.  So, what your saying is to drive it in either Neutral or "H?"  The bike creeps forward in Neutral.

If yours does the same thing I won't worry about it and just drive it.

Thanks for getting back to me,

Dan

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65 C100
65 CT200 Trail 90
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73 CB750K3
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NOW you have an issue. if the bike tries to go forward in neutral or will outright go, then something is messed up.

My guess is that there is something with the neutral indicator switch and that the tranny is fine. the light is turning on at the wrong time.
The ride IS the adventure. The destination is just to get gas!
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 I do not know how the shifting mechanism could be so messed up that neutral and low could be switched. You know when the kickstand is put down the bike automatically goes into neutral. On the shift pattern, neutral is on the bottom, then up one to low, then up another to high.
TOOLS
Life is not about the number of breaths, you take, but the moments that take your breath away.
I don't have an anger problem. I have an idiot problem. Hank Hill
Never confuse education for intelligence.
Happiness is a belt fed weapon.
I just can't imagine what could go wrong.
No fire? No explosions? So whats the point of your story?
Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber. ~Plato
It couldn't be done, but the darn fool didn't know it, and did it anyway.
We all got problems. Ksharp
I like vintage bikes because they take me away from the clutter of technology that I work with everyday and back to a simpler time of mechanical elegance and simplicity.. "ninadm"
Darkwing Duck: The worst part of public transportation is the Public.
"That is awesome shit there" Re-Run
"Fear nothing, attack everything" Eric Berry
" Oh, you read that on the internet? Clearly it IS a massive problem. Of course it CAN’t be normal operation."

1976 CB 750-A X 2
1977 CB 750-A X 4
1977 CB 750-K
1976 CB 750 F
1981 CB 750
1966 Kawasaki SG 250
1981 KZ 750 LTD
1973 CB 350
1979 CM 185 Twinstar
1982 Honda XL 80
South of Eden (Kansas City MO)
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birdmannn101
When the kickstand is put down the bike automatically goes into neutral and starts creeping forward. If I open the throttle it moves right along.  My shift pattern while on the center stand - If I shift down it's neutral on the bottom (wheel spinning), one up to Low (wheel snaps to stationary and no movement), then up to High (wheel starts spinning again).

Do you think the guy who had it before me changed something to accommodate his handicapped side car?

If you were me ... where would you start looking?  Pull the torque converter cover off?
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64 C102
65 C100
65 CT200 Trail 90
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73 CB750K3
76 CB750A
03 VTX1300S
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Torque converter would have nothing to do with the gears so to say. It just drives the transmission. Also there is nothing inside the transmission that would prevent the wheel from spinning in gear, or even neutral. I cannot think of anything that would switch the gear pattern. Does the cover on the left side where the shifter is show any signs of being removed in the past? Does the bike not move when it is in the "Low" position?
TOOLS
Life is not about the number of breaths, you take, but the moments that take your breath away.
I don't have an anger problem. I have an idiot problem. Hank Hill
Never confuse education for intelligence.
Happiness is a belt fed weapon.
I just can't imagine what could go wrong.
No fire? No explosions? So whats the point of your story?
Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber. ~Plato
It couldn't be done, but the darn fool didn't know it, and did it anyway.
We all got problems. Ksharp
I like vintage bikes because they take me away from the clutter of technology that I work with everyday and back to a simpler time of mechanical elegance and simplicity.. "ninadm"
Darkwing Duck: The worst part of public transportation is the Public.
"That is awesome shit there" Re-Run
"Fear nothing, attack everything" Eric Berry
" Oh, you read that on the internet? Clearly it IS a massive problem. Of course it CAN’t be normal operation."

1976 CB 750-A X 2
1977 CB 750-A X 4
1977 CB 750-K
1976 CB 750 F
1981 CB 750
1966 Kawasaki SG 250
1981 KZ 750 LTD
1973 CB 350
1979 CM 185 Twinstar
1982 Honda XL 80
South of Eden (Kansas City MO)
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birdmannn101
Nope, the cover on the left side of the bike doesn't show any signs of tampering. 

No, the bike does not move when it is in "Low" position. 

I guess the side stand is okay since it puts the bike in neutral, turns on the neutral lamp and allows the starter to start the bike.  Maybe what I need to look at is how could the bike be started while still in gear?  Would the changing relay have anything to do with this?


66 S90
64 C102
65 C100
65 CT200 Trail 90
74 CB350Four
73 CB750K3
76 CB750A
03 VTX1300S
Bicycle with HF engine
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birdmannn101
Okay, I have decided that this handicapped, wheelchair bound, sidecar driver has altered the transmission so that he does everything from the sidecar and doesn't need to reach anything on the left side of the bike while he is in the sidecar.  He has this rigged to "think" it is in Neutral with the neutral light so he can start the engine.  Actually, it is in LOW according to the engine and electrically in Neutral.  He also has it rigged this way so all he needs to do after starting the bike is to roll the throttle and away he goes.

Now, since he has passed away and I don't know who rigged this for him, I don't know how to bring it back to normal so I guess I'll just ride it this way.
66 S90
64 C102
65 C100
65 CT200 Trail 90
74 CB350Four
73 CB750K3
76 CB750A
03 VTX1300S
Bicycle with HF engine