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Oil changing blues

MrDoctorProfessor
So I follwed the instructions on this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=z1QcApX815c#t

Except I left the drain plug out until everything had drained. Once done,  I put the filter casing with oiled o-ring and all back on, then the drain plug, filled up with oil and made sure everything was good.  Everything seemed to be fine until I started the bike and the filter casing starts pouring oil out from between the casing and the engine.  I pulled it off (eating about a quart of oil im sure)  and made sure the seal was seated right and put it back on, still, oil pouring out.  I have the casing tightened down to about a turn or two past hand tight.  Does it need to go tighter?  What am I doing wrong?
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TOOLS1
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Two things. First it is not like a car, and only goes a little past "hand tight." These things need to be snugged down pretty good. Second is when checking the oil level, you do NOT screw the dipstick in to check the level. Just insert the dipstick in to the threads without screwing it in.
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MrDoctorProfessor
Ive got it snugged down pretty damn well, I imagine.  I dont want to go any tighter for fear of stripping the bolt, but Ive got it cranked to the point that it wont turn without me throwing some weight into it.  It seems to be leaking from the top of the casing where it meets the engine.  I guess it could be the O-ring, but as far as I can tell, the O-ring is in place when I put the case on.  
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Did you line up the tab between the fins?
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Life is not about the number of breaths, you take, but the moments that take your breath away.
I don't have an anger problem. I have an idiot problem. Hank Hill
Never confuse education for intelligence.
Happiness is a belt fed weapon.
I just can't imagine what could go wrong.
No fire? No explosions? So whats the point of your story?
Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber. ~Plato
It couldn't be done, but the darn fool didn't know it, and did it anyway.
We all got problems. Ksharp
I like vintage bikes because they take me away from the clutter of technology that I work with everyday and back to a simpler time of mechanical elegance and simplicity.. "ninadm"
Darkwing Duck: The worst part of public transportation is the Public.
"That is awesome shit there" Re-Run
"Fear nothing, attack everything" Eric Berry
" Oh, you read that on the internet? Clearly it IS a massive problem. Of course it CAN’t be normal operation."

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1977 CB 750-A X 4
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MrDoctorProfessor
sure did
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sgtslag
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What Tools said.

Also, get yourself a clicker Torque Wrench (~$20 at Harbor Freight) -- it takes the guesswork out of it.  The filter housing bolt should be tightened to 28 lb.-ft. (books says a range of 25-30, I believe, so I always split it down the middle -- prevents stripping threads by over-tightening things).  You should also check the larger O-ring to see if it is pinched, deformed, or broken; look for debris in the groove, which would allow oil to slip past it.  Make sure to wipe the engine block clean of debris, before you put the housing on, and tighten it down.  Sorry to be so basic, but there are only a few things which will cause this kind of leak.  Cheers!
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Hoosier Daddy
sgtslag wrote
... check the larger O-ring to see if it is pinched, deformed, or broken; look for debris in the groove, which would allow oil to slip past it.  Make sure to wipe the engine block clean of debris...
Also check the thickness of the o-ring and make sure it has enough cross section to actually seal, should be contacting both surfaces before you tighten it down.
 I bought an aftermarket filter once that the o-ring was thinner, wound up having to re-use the one I had taken off.
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shinyribs
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I was going to say the same thing as Hoosier. Sometimes the o-rings that come with the filters are junk. Gotta keep an eye out for that. I've been using the same o-ring for the past 3 filter changes...kinda makes me rethink the quality of the filters I've been using
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MrDoctorProfessor
Thats totally what it was.  I bought the filter by taking the old one and just buying the one that was the exact same size.  It turns out that the o-ring was .055" bigger than the one specified for my bike.  Thanks for your help guys!
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Lucky 1
Doctor/professor? of what?

BTW.....That video is junk!

The kids working on the bike do not even know how to properly get the bike on the centerstand.
They are changing the oil and leaving a mess of oil on the concrete. We know thy did not clean up the mess.
When he puts the drain plug back into the bottom of the engine he does not check to see that the aluminum washer is still on the drain plug! That is what strips drain plugs.

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MrDoctorProfessor
Doctor/Professor of nothing.  Its just a dumb name Ive used for a while (which is also funny with your screen name, another one I normally use is Lucky7)
And yea, there is a lot wrong with the basics in the video.  Ive done my cars enough to avoid some of the dumb things they do (although, I dont know the proper way to get my bike up on the center stand, I had a bitch of a time doing it).  I do keep rags down underneath to catch any drips and I take a good inventory of everything when it comes off to ensure everything is in the right place when it goes back. I mainly just used the video as a dummy guide to see the general order of things.
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sgtslag
Have you solved the leak problem?
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LukeM
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Center standing is pretty easy, once you get the knack:

Center up the bike, and keep one foot on the end of the stand. Make sure both of the bottom parts on the stand are on the pavement.
Grasp the rear fender or grab bar (if installed).
While standing up straight on the end of the stand with all your weight, pull up on the back of the bike.

It should roll back without too much trouble.
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icerigger
If it's still hard to get up on the centre stand, check your rear suspension. I recently replaced the shocks/springs and now it's really easy (OK, a lot easier)
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seestheday
After putting 900F piggyback shocks onto my 81 750K getting it onto the centre stand is super easy.

I always hold the handlebars and just roll it back.  I never thought to try the grab rail.

Damn I should make an oil change video.  There are so many bad videos for just basic things.
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Lucky 1
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I understand.
Gettin the bike on the center stand has a trick to it.

You stand on the left side of the bike.
you put your right foot on the center stand foot bar.
Then you put your right hand under the lift bar on the side of the bike.

You pull up on the lift bar at the SAME TIME that you stand on that foot bar on the center stand.
It is the combination of pulling up and pushing down with your right foot that will get it on the stand easiy.

You can put your left hand on the left handlebar grip but it is not really needed.

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MrDoctorProfessor
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Sgtslag-  I sure did!  It turns out that, while I did buy the right filter, it wasnt the right part number for my bike, so the O-ring that came with it was just a slight bit smaller (.055 inches)  than it needed to be.