Ignition Points - OEM

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nadores
Has anyone ever run across a source for original ignitions points for a 1977 CB750K.  They were made by two companies:  TEC (Toyo electrical Co) and ND (Nippon Denso).  A 20_+ year tech guru told me they were far superior to the aftermarket stuff that's out there.  I would also appreciate any input from those that have used aftermarket points.
Thanks.
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I have used the Sudco ignition kits that Z1 enterprises sells, and have not had any issues with them at all.
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1976 CB 750-A X 2
1977 CB 750-A X 4
1977 CB 750-K
1976 CB 750 F
1981 CB 750
1966 Kawasaki SG 250
1981 KZ 750 LTD
1973 CB 350
1979 CM 185 Twinstar
1982 Honda XL 80
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Why not just install electronic ignition and be rid of all that mess.
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Some people (me included) don't like electronic ignitions. They are expensive, and when they go bad you can't fix them on the side of the road.
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Life is not about the number of breaths, you take, but the moments that take your breath away.
I don't have an anger problem. I have an idiot problem. Hank Hill
Never confuse education for intelligence.
Happiness is a belt fed weapon.
I just can't imagine what could go wrong.
No fire? No explosions? So whats the point of your story?
Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber. ~Plato
It couldn't be done, but the darn fool didn't know it, and did it anyway.
We all got problems. Ksharp
I like vintage bikes because they take me away from the clutter of technology that I work with everyday and back to a simpler time of mechanical elegance and simplicity.. "ninadm"
Darkwing Duck: The worst part of public transportation is the Public.
"That is awesome shit there" Re-Run
"Fear nothing, attack everything" Eric Berry
" Oh, you read that on the internet? Clearly it IS a massive problem. Of course it CAN’t be normal operation."

1976 CB 750-A X 2
1977 CB 750-A X 4
1977 CB 750-K
1976 CB 750 F
1981 CB 750
1966 Kawasaki SG 250
1981 KZ 750 LTD
1973 CB 350
1979 CM 185 Twinstar
1982 Honda XL 80
South of Eden (Kansas City MO)
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Can't fix points either all the time. Say the rubbing block comes off, that point won't work. Or the spring breaks, or the contact pad comes off. Any of those will prevent that point from working. While electronic ignitions are kinda pricy, after a few years of throwing points at something, especially quality points, the cost breaks even, especially once maintenance time is factored in.

I run a dyna-s for 7 or so years and it has been flawless. I set it up once and have only pulled the cover off to make sure things are staying clean and dry. I have not had to touch it once. Compare that to an average of checking and adjusting points a couple times a year, minimum. Filing points, points cam grease.

On a stock bike, it is a horse a piece. Though my S gave me( and virtually anyone who has tried it) faster starts, smoother idle, and better mpg. Once you start kicking the engine up though, points have a hard time keeping up. They just do not allow good coil saturation once the rpms start to climb, and if your bike turns more than about 9000, points start to float and then you have to double spring them, which increases wear on the rubbing blocks but also on the points cam. This is where a dyna 2000, the cyclex optical, or even a pamco really come in.

Most of the history of electronic ignitions failing has come from past units before electronics became really solid. These days, a good electronic ignition is every bit as reliable as the best points, and will work better. I don't really include the dyna-s in this, it is an old system that dynatec has not really updated. Good thing the pamco is around and IS a very solid unit. At the time, I got the dyna cause it was the only thing out there besides the 2000 which IS (or was) expensive.

There is nothing wrong with points, not at all, especially if you are a stock purist. They just have some limitations but that is to be expected considering how old the technology is. I still have my points plate, just in case. I won't knock anyone using points, after all, if I was stuck on newer tech, I wouldn't have my cb, and there IS a magic about old machines that new machines do not have. I ride my cb and it just feels "right". I ride my fz and while it will do everything better(except mpg), it just isn't the same. I would be buried with my cb but then that would deprive the world of its greatness.
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This guy was not asking about electronic ignitions. He wanted to know about aftermarket points. What does an electronic ignition have to do with aftermarket points?
TOOLS
Life is not about the number of breaths, you take, but the moments that take your breath away.
I don't have an anger problem. I have an idiot problem. Hank Hill
Never confuse education for intelligence.
Happiness is a belt fed weapon.
I just can't imagine what could go wrong.
No fire? No explosions? So whats the point of your story?
Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber. ~Plato
It couldn't be done, but the darn fool didn't know it, and did it anyway.
We all got problems. Ksharp
I like vintage bikes because they take me away from the clutter of technology that I work with everyday and back to a simpler time of mechanical elegance and simplicity.. "ninadm"
Darkwing Duck: The worst part of public transportation is the Public.
"That is awesome shit there" Re-Run
"Fear nothing, attack everything" Eric Berry
" Oh, you read that on the internet? Clearly it IS a massive problem. Of course it CAN’t be normal operation."

1976 CB 750-A X 2
1977 CB 750-A X 4
1977 CB 750-K
1976 CB 750 F
1981 CB 750
1966 Kawasaki SG 250
1981 KZ 750 LTD
1973 CB 350
1979 CM 185 Twinstar
1982 Honda XL 80
South of Eden (Kansas City MO)
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nadores
Thanks, I didn't want to be rude after he went to all that trouble explaining the pro's and con's of EI (which I already knew).  Just wanted to know a source for TEC original points.  I have since found them on Ebay.  Two different sellers each had one bank 1-4 and 2-3. Price was reasonable.  TEC points, based on written material by a 20+ year Honda Tech are far superior to the after market junk that's out there today.  As far a tweaking the points and lubing the shaft a couple times a year - that ain't no big deal.
Thanks.


On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 11:25 AM, TOOLS1 [via Honda CB750'S] <[hidden email]> wrote:
This guy was not asking about electronic ignitions. He wanted to know about aftermarket points. What does an electronic ignition have to do with aftermarket points?
TOOLS
Life is not about the number of breaths, you take, but the moments that take your breath away.
I don't have an anger problem. I have an idiot problem. Hank Hill
Never confuse education for intelligence.
Happiness is a belt fed weapon.
I just can't imagine what could go wrong.
No fire? No explosions? So whats the point of your story?
Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber. ~Plato
It couldn't be done, but the darn fool didn't know it, and did it anyway.
We all got problems. Ksharp
1976 CB 750-A X 2
1977 CB 750-A X 2
1977 CB 750-K X 2
1976 CB 750 F
1981 CB 750
1966 Kawasaki SG 250
1981 KZ 750 LTD
1973 CB 350
1979 CM 185 Twinstar
1982 Honda XL 80
South of Eden (Kansas City MO)



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It was more of a point(hehe) on how points can fail and leave a person stuck just as easily as an electronic unit could, and that failure horror stories are mostly from years back when they were not as well made.

I suppose it was also a plug for electronic ignitions. With most anything out there, certain things can make big improvements. Ignition is 1 of those.

Regardless, I never bothered to get tec or nippon points. I used regular daiichis and they worked perfectly fine. I find that condenser quality is more important than point quality, unless a person gets some really wretched points. I would just go to vintagecb750.com and grab their points. $9 a shot. Might wanna check those condensers too though. If they are bad, your points will wear much faster.

If you are dead set on tec, it will be a search to find them and when you do, buy a bunch. Some have found them on ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Genuine-NOS-Honda-TEC-OEM-30204-300-154-Left-2-3-Ignition-Points-CB750-CB550-/321223663270?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4aca6c1ea6&vxp=mtr  left 1 only though.

A quick look did not find anything really for either tec or nippon but you might call Western Hills Honda, they have Toyo points but they are expensive. They may have some tec or nippon lying around though.

Keep in mind, daiichi is japanese as  well and may do the job for you.

There, was that helpful?
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