My 79 cb750k ltd cafe project

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cafeloco
the tank does have a couple dings and blemishes, but no rust on the inside or out as far as i know.
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Re: My 79 cb750k ltd cafe project

alehman
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1979 CB750K
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1979 CB750K
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cafeloco
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today i decided to take the head off. didnt go to well. I somehow managed to break the front cam chain tensioner bolt, and cut two fingers at the same time. any advice anybody has on doing engine work would be greatly appreciated as i only know what im doing in theory.



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Re: My 79 cb750k ltd cafe project

masiste
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 Cool.

     Nice job.  Too bad your tank is not a CB 750F DOHC.

     Keep the good work rolling !
 
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Re: My 79 cb750k ltd cafe project

shinyribs
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I cant help at all with a DOHC engine.Never touched one. But on the SOHC's the cam bearing caps have a pair of numbers that tell you where they go and how to orient them. Line the pair of letters on the cap up with the matching pair of numbers on the head. It's always two letters. HS   TG   XZ    something like that.


Sorry about the bolts man. That sucks :(
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Re: My 79 cb750k ltd cafe project

Hoosier Daddy
Our DOHC's are lettered as well, except they go A, B, C.... left to right starting with #1 exhaust.

Did your tensioner bolt start to loosen before it broke? or is it stll pressing on the rod and keeping it in place?
81 Honda CB750C - Current Project
67 BSA Spitfire MkIII - Next Up (Full Resto)
81 Honda GL1100 - Bob / CafeĀ“
80 Suzuki GS750L - Bratstyle
72 Honda CB450K5 - Basket Case
73 Honda CB350F Cafe' (Gone but not forgotten)

Don't wait for opportunity to knock... kick the door down and drag the old harlot in!
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Re: My 79 cb750k ltd cafe project

masiste
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 Hi.

  Check out "ljohnny18"  thread :

 http://honda-cb750-s.456789.n3.nabble.com/1983-CB750-DOHC-Build-td4032204i20.html#a4032509

  He is doing similar work, taking appart his engine. Sure you can get advise and visual notes from him in his thread.

  You need to get an "easy out" to get that broken bolt out. Soak it in WD-40 or penetrating oil for easier removal.  All those bolts exposed to the elements specially header/cam chain tensioners  which receive blunt exposure from front wheel fly off tend to get whimsical.

  It is Thanks Giving time, Sears has some nice Craftsman tools hopefully on sale !
750DOHC
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Re: My 79 cb750k ltd cafe project

Hoosier Daddy
  Not trying to step on jamiesix's toes here but I am going to chime in before you make a common mistake and heart-ache...
Note: The only way I got good at broken bolt removal is by breaking WAY too many bolts in my days.

I would not jump right to an "easy-out" they are extremley hard and threrefore brittle... very easy to snap off. Then a broken easy-out is next to impossible to remove without help from a machine shop. Also an easy-out's tapered shape expands the bolt and can wedge it even tighter.

Do not use WD-40, it is not a pentrant, it's silicone preservative  / water dispersant (WD).
Get a good penetrating oil. PB Blaster, Kroil, or believe it or not, a homebrew 50/50 mix of acetone and Transmission fluid (ATF) is best. Spray it down repeatedly.

Then a center punch right smack dead center on the broken bolt. you can start light taps to verify your in the center but you want to finally give it a good stout "whack". This does two things...
1. It gives you a center point to keep the drill bit from walking
2. Shocks the threads and breaks the corrosion hold for the penetrant to soak into.

If there is a peak in the break at the center, your drill will walk to the edge and you'll damage the threads.
If you have a Dremel you can use the smallest round headed burr to grind a starting point in the center. But you still want to center punch it to help break loose the corrosion on the threads

Spray it down again and let it soak it a MINIMUM of over night.

Pick up a set of "Left hand" drill bits. To use these you need a reversable drill.
Start with the smallest bit and with your drill in reverse carefully drill a pilot hole exactly centered and straight into the bolt. With any luck it will back out with this first drilling. If not, jump up a couple sizes and this time go slowley. The larger bit will want to follow your first pilot hole but you still need to stay centered and straight.
 The sharp edge of the bit will bite into the bolt and usually back it right out.
 You can use a propane torch and gently heat the surrounding aluminum but be careful and quick. The aluminum will expand faster than the steel bolt at first and thats you window to work in... but once the heat transfers to the steel it expands as well. On this particular cam tensioner bolt there is a rubber plug really close so don't over do it.
 Several small heat and cool cycles will also let more penetrating oil soak in so spray it after each heating. Then try drilling again.
 IF this all does not work, then you can try an easy-out. BUT they are not all alike.
Ridgid makes a good set and Snap-on / Mac tools has a similar version (read expensive) but the original from Ridgid are THE BEST!



Notice a couple things in this set? The extractors are straight, not tapered. They are actually a star shaped rod with sharp points to grab and you tap them into the hole with a hammer. Each extractor has the properly sized drill bit. Each size also has a centering guide (along the bottom) to help you drill the hole straight. Finally, along the right side is the adapters that fit the star shaped extractor and you can use a 6 or 12 point wrench or socket on intsread of the four flats on a regular "easy-out".

 If you choose to use a regular old fashioned "easy-out", use a Tap handle on it. That will fit the four sided end much better than a open end wrench and make it much easier to control. Do NOT heat it. That seems to make them even more brittle and easier to break. Carefully and slowly try but go straight into the hole and feel if it is working. Remeber the taper? Watch for expansion of your broken bolt and if the easy-out starts to twist at the top but not at the bottom STOP.
Soak it with more pentrant and leave it over night then try again the next day.

That's as much of my experiance I can think to pass on. Good luck to you!
81 Honda CB750C - Current Project
67 BSA Spitfire MkIII - Next Up (Full Resto)
81 Honda GL1100 - Bob / CafeĀ“
80 Suzuki GS750L - Bratstyle
72 Honda CB450K5 - Basket Case
73 Honda CB350F Cafe' (Gone but not forgotten)

Don't wait for opportunity to knock... kick the door down and drag the old harlot in!
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Re: My 79 cb750k ltd cafe project

cafeloco
wow! thank you for all of that! i actually managed to get it out yesterday, a friend of mine had a set of easy outs, but some of those tips would have been helpful!

I also got both cams off. sometime this weekend ill probably pull the head. from what ive seen so far it looks like the parts bike engine has a better bottom end while the other engine has a better top end, so at this point im just going to try and swap the heads. the downside to that is i already put the parts bike clutch in the other engine, and im going to need to swap the alternator thing which requires a special tool i dont have (anyone know a good place to buy one?) is it a bad idea to mix and match engine components because of ware etc.?
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Re: My 79 cb750k ltd cafe project

cafeloco
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so i ripped into the parts bike engine some more today, it isnt to pretty...























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Re: My 79 cb750k ltd cafe project

shinyribs
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Ouch.That's quite a split on that one valve Are the pistons that rough of a texture from some sort of corrosion,or is that just how the casting looks?
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Re: My 79 cb750k ltd cafe project

d13dkt
great project you have there, i love the look of that tank.
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Re: My 79 cb750k ltd cafe project

cafeloco
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i think it corrosion, but not really sure
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Re: My 79 cb750k ltd cafe project

Hoosier Daddy
#1 and 2 don't look much better from here...
81 Honda CB750C - Current Project
67 BSA Spitfire MkIII - Next Up (Full Resto)
81 Honda GL1100 - Bob / CafeĀ“
80 Suzuki GS750L - Bratstyle
72 Honda CB450K5 - Basket Case
73 Honda CB350F Cafe' (Gone but not forgotten)

Don't wait for opportunity to knock... kick the door down and drag the old harlot in!
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shinyribs
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cafeloco wrote
i think it corrosion, but not really sure
I know GM played around with some ''dimple'' piston crowns for fuel disruption/fuel mileage/ increased torque. I was wondering if that was the same thing here. That's why i asked.
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Re: My 79 cb750k ltd cafe project

cafeloco
hmm i didnt know that, it looks a pretty irregular though thats why i guessed corrosion. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how i should clean the pistons and valves?
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