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mikeyboy1
 anyone have any ideas/experience w/ changing low speed jets that are the pressed in type.(78 K)
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Yes I have had lots of experience with changing them. I even did a writeup on how to remove them. It is in the Repair section here "Removing pressed in pilot jets."
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3 simple steps. Wrap with rubber or cloth. Grab with pliers. Twist a couple times then pull while twisting. Tap back in.
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can you buy new/bigger ones? do they only come in one size?
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I always just drill them out, but Honda should sell larger ones.
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Life is not about the number of breaths, you take, but the moments that take your breath away.
I don't have an anger problem. I have an idiot problem. Hank Hill
Never confuse education for intelligence.
Happiness is a belt fed weapon.
I just can't imagine what could go wrong.
No fire? No explosions? So whats the point of your story?
Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber. ~Plato
It couldn't be done, but the darn fool didn't know it, and did it anyway.
We all got problems. Ksharp
I like vintage bikes because they take me away from the clutter of technology that I work with everyday and back to a simpler time of mechanical elegance and simplicity.. "ninadm"
Darkwing Duck: The worst part of public transportation is the Public.
"That is awesome shit there" Re-Run
"Fear nothing, attack everything" Eric Berry
" Oh, you read that on the internet? Clearly it IS a massive problem. Of course it CAN’t be normal operation."

1976 CB 750-A X 2
1977 CB 750-A X 4
1977 CB 750-K
1976 CB 750 F
1981 CB 750
1966 Kawasaki SG 250
1981 KZ 750 LTD
1973 CB 350
1979 CM 185 Twinstar
1982 Honda XL 80
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how big do you drill them Tools? I've got 4 into 1 exhaust.I've had to open the pilots 3 plus turns to get rid of low speed stutter.am thinking the jets may be a wee bit small.the bike sat for 20 plus years.have cleaned the jets numerous times.bike runs great  except the low speed thing.points are new & set rite as well as timing.am I barking up the rite tree here?
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If they are the keyhole carbs stock to a 78 K-8. 0.45mm is what I drill the pilot jets out to.
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Life is not about the number of breaths, you take, but the moments that take your breath away.
I don't have an anger problem. I have an idiot problem. Hank Hill
Never confuse education for intelligence.
Happiness is a belt fed weapon.
I just can't imagine what could go wrong.
No fire? No explosions? So whats the point of your story?
Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber. ~Plato
It couldn't be done, but the darn fool didn't know it, and did it anyway.
We all got problems. Ksharp
I like vintage bikes because they take me away from the clutter of technology that I work with everyday and back to a simpler time of mechanical elegance and simplicity.. "ninadm"
Darkwing Duck: The worst part of public transportation is the Public.
"That is awesome shit there" Re-Run
"Fear nothing, attack everything" Eric Berry
" Oh, you read that on the internet? Clearly it IS a massive problem. Of course it CAN’t be normal operation."

1976 CB 750-A X 2
1977 CB 750-A X 4
1977 CB 750-K
1976 CB 750 F
1981 CB 750
1966 Kawasaki SG 250
1981 KZ 750 LTD
1973 CB 350
1979 CM 185 Twinstar
1982 Honda XL 80
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What is your low speed thing? I can tell you without a doubt that the keyhole carbs do not need large jets, not on a stock engine. Even an 836 kit with a ported head does not need larger jets.

How many turns out are your idle mix screws? Have you pulled the idle jets out and cleaned them?
And if you have cleaned them, how did you do it? The idle mix screw stock setting are 1.5 turns out for the K and 1.75 for the F. Out makes the mix richer, in makes it leaner.

A 4-1 pipe barely requires any change in the mix. A lot of people don't like the keyholes, but once a person knows them, they are amazingly flexible and able to take a lot of changes with out a hiccup. Being clean though is super important.

And I also am of the school that you don't drill jets. Here's why, a jet has larger opening but a smaller inside. This is to create a venturi effect. When you drill it, it loses this and fuel doesn't vaporize as well.

If a larger jet were indeed needed, I would either find new press ins, or gently tap the jet body for screw in jets. I knew a person who did that and it seemed to work just fine.

My guess is that the accel pump is not working right and when you roll on, it starts lean initially because it is not getting the fuel from the pump.

I ran through a lot of this years back till I figured it out.

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Funny. I had to go from a stock 105 main jet to a 120 main to get a stock bike to run on today's Ethanol laden gas. The Ethanol really  causes a lean condition with the old carburetors (also the keyhole carbs were lean from the factory) that were set up for 100% gasoline. Also I know that millions of jets have been drilled out in the last century, and I am sure I am responsible for a few hundred, and they worked. I really doubt that the carb manufactures go to the trouble of making a different casting/machining for each different size jet with a different venturi. I would bet they have millions of blanks made up, and then pull some out, and drill them to size then stamp a number on them.
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Life is not about the number of breaths, you take, but the moments that take your breath away.
I don't have an anger problem. I have an idiot problem. Hank Hill
Never confuse education for intelligence.
Happiness is a belt fed weapon.
I just can't imagine what could go wrong.
No fire? No explosions? So whats the point of your story?
Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber. ~Plato
It couldn't be done, but the darn fool didn't know it, and did it anyway.
We all got problems. Ksharp
I like vintage bikes because they take me away from the clutter of technology that I work with everyday and back to a simpler time of mechanical elegance and simplicity.. "ninadm"
Darkwing Duck: The worst part of public transportation is the Public.
"That is awesome shit there" Re-Run
"Fear nothing, attack everything" Eric Berry
" Oh, you read that on the internet? Clearly it IS a massive problem. Of course it CAN’t be normal operation."

1976 CB 750-A X 2
1977 CB 750-A X 4
1977 CB 750-K
1976 CB 750 F
1981 CB 750
1966 Kawasaki SG 250
1981 KZ 750 LTD
1973 CB 350
1979 CM 185 Twinstar
1982 Honda XL 80
South of Eden (Kansas City MO)
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See, for me, ethanol has not caused an issue like this. I suppose once I hit about 100, then it might, but I do that so seldom that it isn't an issue. The keyholes may have been lean, but I can easily make mine rich by turning the mix screw, for the low end. Top end is no big deal though since they take typical screw in mains. I would kinda like adjustable needles but I can get 77 needles if I really don't want to mess with washers.

I don't really know how jets are made. I would assume they drill them too, but I don't think they just run a bit up through them and call it good. I assume they make whatever hole they need, then run bits on either side to retain the venturi effect.

It's not that I would never drill a jet, but I would only do it if I had no other choice. As I do have other choices, I have no need to drill. Especially since it is permanent.

I have however; thought about drilling additional emulsion holes on the sides of the main jet. Allows for even better mixing of air/fuel.

Though, to have a 105, those must have come from an F as my K carbs have 110s.
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mikeyboy1
SO,i FOUND MY MINIATURE DRILL BITS .SMALLEST BIT IS .011 UP TO .037.USED THE 11 & CLEANED OUT SOME FOSSILIZED STUFF THAT CARB CLEANER DIDNT GET.WENT UP 2 BITS & STARTED TO GET BRASS SO i STOPPED THERE. BIKE NOW STARTS & IDLES COLD. HAS ALWAYS BEEN A BITCH WHEN COLD.SO i'M VERY HAPPY.WILL SYNCH THEM TOMARROW.THANX FOR ALL YOUR HELP GUYS
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You cannot could on carb cleaner to get it all. If you do, well you just found out that the carbs are not actually clean.
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mikeyboy1
so I cleaned the jets out then went to a .020 bit.my mileage dropped from 50 mpg to 32 mpg !! so either those jets were barely getting fuel thru & I'm now getting normal mileage or I went too far.maybe a little of both.my F gets 32 mpg so I'm thinking that's normal.50 is a lotta mpg for that motoer,no? found new jets so I may just replace them anyway.I'm taking her from Vt to Ct tomarrow. 4 hr drive at least.hope it goes well