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Thanks for the input,Truck. I like the gold,too.Definitely needs some color up front.

Tools! A mountain bike? lol  And yes,those shoes are wore slap out. Way past the wear bars on those puppies.

I'm sure y'all are tired of hearing about this front wheel-tough!-but you're in luck. Because I'm finally done with it.


Had to trim the bolts down to the bare minimum and they still just barely clear. Kinda stinks cuz I really wanted to safety wire them. Just for looks of course.


Once everything was in it's final resting place I was able to give it the last check out. Sat up the dial indicator and the axial & lateral runout of the rotors was fine. I had taken several measurements concerning the swept area of the rotors and was pretty confident it was all good. But nothing beats real life proof. The top edge of the pad rest just a smidge below the edge of the rotor.

And the pad uses the full swept area of the rotor. Yay! It all worked out like it was s'posed to!


I put the headlight mounting rings back in the lathe and gave them a trim. Slimmed them down pretty good. I'm not over the top excited about these,but I'm pretty satisfied with them now.


From a distance they blend in pretty good and basically disappear. I'm calling these done for now.


But this tank/seat size difference is still driving me nuts. Can't decide if I wanna stretch the seat or pinch the tank. On one hand I hate to pinch the tank and give up fuel capacity. But on the other hand I really like how this slim seat feels. You don't have that super wide,straddling a bull feeling of a stock width seat. Completely undecided on this,but I am leaning toward pinching the tank. it looks a little fat in the back anyway.
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Pinch the tank!!!!!!!!!!!
TOOLS
Life is not about the number of breaths, you take, but the moments that take your breath away.
I don't have an anger problem. I have an idiot problem. Hank Hill
Never confuse education for intelligence.
Happiness is a belt fed weapon.
I just can't imagine what could go wrong.
No fire? No explosions? So whats the point of your story?
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It couldn't be done, but the darn fool didn't know it, and did it anyway.
We all got problems. Ksharp
I like vintage bikes because they take me away from the clutter of technology that I work with everyday and back to a simpler time of mechanical elegance and simplicity.. "ninadm"
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"That is awesome shit there" Re-Run
"Fear nothing, attack everything" Eric Berry
" Oh, you read that on the internet? Clearly it IS a massive problem. Of course it CAN’t be normal operation."

1976 CB 750-A X 2
1977 CB 750-A X 4
1977 CB 750-K
1976 CB 750 F
1981 CB 750
1966 Kawasaki SG 250
1981 KZ 750 LTD
1973 CB 350
1979 CM 185 Twinstar
1982 Honda XL 80
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I think pinching would look best,too. Everyone else says to narrow the whole thing but I don't think I'd like it.


Started in on the head lights struts tonight(that's the thing with making your own parts...you get to come up with the name,too)

Made four of these inserts for the tubing I'm using to make the struts. I'da liked to have milled these,but using the grinder did just fine. I need to scrounge some more ally to make the other four that I need. This ally came from my old abandoned rear sets. ;)


I think you can see where I'm going with these. Oughta be nice and light. There's no way to hide a head light mount,so it might as well be something worth looking at. I got an idea on how to join the inserts to the tubing. I'll divulge that after I decide if it's a good idea or not.
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Looks good Shiney, you are still on par for that honorary engineering degree.  I'm a little more interested in what you do with that el-camino though ;)
most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handelbars to the saddle.
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lol The El Camino is coming along. Slowly,though. Grass is hell on cars.A lot of folks don't realize how hard it is for an auto to sit in the yard. Found out the exhaust leak was a rotted out set of headers. Work has been nuts but maybe I'll post up on the Elky soon.
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This post was updated on .
Rainy 4th of July. So no fireworks for me,but I did get my headlights mounts done!

I decided to go with roll pins to connect the strut pieces together. Plenty strong and I can get them apart if I ever decide to. Plus they give it a "made" look which is what I was shooting for. I'm pretty excited about these. They actually came out exactly how I pictured them in my head.

All the inserts end up on a different twist than the others so I figured I'd better mark their orientation.

I was thinking about drilling some speed holes in the headlight bucket ears but once the bucket gets black chromed I think the beefyness of the ears will look good.



I noticed a while back that I had an extra rear rotor to fit this bike. I never was real happy with the design I did before. Looked better in my head than it did in real life. Then I discovered that these rear discs are the same O.D. as the fronts. So I used the pattern I made off Marks rotor to drill this rotor. Just had to make some new holes to bolt the pattern to the rotor and I was good. Drilled half of the holes tonight. Still plenty left to do.





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Rear rotor done and on.


Popped off the s-arm while I was there and put on the chain guard. Still need to locate the rear guard for this s-arm.


Found out my Ducati clutch m/c is designed to work with a 28mm slave. Turns out,the little Magura piece I can get for $40 is a 28mm. A Ducati slave would run me $150+


But there's a catch! The Ducati m/c specifies DOT 4 fluid. The Magura piece specifies mineral oil only. I'm not even sure what it means by mineral oil.

And the seat/tank fiasco. Pinching the tank won't really work. The tunnel itself is wider than the seat. If I pinch just the outside of the tank I won't have anywhere for petcocks. And it still will be too wide. If I pinch the tunnel...well,I can't. Too much stuff under there. Thought about getting another tank,but I still need a wide tunnel. Tired. Going to bed. Brain can't come up with any good ideas. Hit me with some brain storms guys. I need them. I'm tempted to just run the seat and tank as-is. But I'm afraid I'll regret it if I do.






Oh,and Tools. You win buddy. This yellow is really starting to annoy me. 
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shinyribs
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Hmmm....these have potential.



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Truck
Now that is dedication, the man has pitched a tent in his garage to spend more time working on his bike!    
It's only illegal if you get caught.

If at first you don't succeed, use more lighter fluid

95% of Harley Davidsons ever made are still on the road... The other 5% made it home.

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mk3brent
hey, guy.

subscribing here. can't wait to see more.

looking good.
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shinyribs
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Thanks bud.


I laid the (new) XS tank on there to take a look. I'm liking it.



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I'm really digging this new tank, but none of my junk will fit underneath. None. Not even the coils!  I can massage the tunnel to get the coils in the stock location, so no real biggie there, but I still need a spot for the r&r, starter solenoid and signal flasher. I have yet to find a good place to mount an ignition switch either. Then the chopper came to mind...Santee box! Whaddya think, would it look outta place? Sure would make all the electrical bits easier to get at then under the tank. Gives me a place for a key switch,too.

This tank would also dictate a new oiling system due to lack of space under the tank. Tools, remember when we discussed nixxing the dry sump pan on the engines? I'm thinking hard on that right now.
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TOOLS1
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 "Tools, remember when we discussed nixxing the dry sump pan on the engines? I'm thinking hard on that right now. "
Santee type box sounds like a good idea also.
TOOLS
Life is not about the number of breaths, you take, but the moments that take your breath away.
I don't have an anger problem. I have an idiot problem. Hank Hill
Never confuse education for intelligence.
Happiness is a belt fed weapon.
I just can't imagine what could go wrong.
No fire? No explosions? So whats the point of your story?
Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber. ~Plato
It couldn't be done, but the darn fool didn't know it, and did it anyway.
We all got problems. Ksharp
I like vintage bikes because they take me away from the clutter of technology that I work with everyday and back to a simpler time of mechanical elegance and simplicity.. "ninadm"
Darkwing Duck: The worst part of public transportation is the Public.
"That is awesome shit there" Re-Run
"Fear nothing, attack everything" Eric Berry
" Oh, you read that on the internet? Clearly it IS a massive problem. Of course it CAN’t be normal operation."

1976 CB 750-A X 2
1977 CB 750-A X 4
1977 CB 750-K
1976 CB 750 F
1981 CB 750
1966 Kawasaki SG 250
1981 KZ 750 LTD
1973 CB 350
1979 CM 185 Twinstar
1982 Honda XL 80
South of Eden (Kansas City MO)
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Hmm...another idea. Put the handful of electrics under the tail, blocked off from tire spray, then build a new oil tank where a Santee box would sit. Hmm....
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mk3brent
You could also put some parts like the rectifier and fuses under the seat pan. Maybe integrate that into the brackets used for the seat to frame.  
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Thanks for the input! I think I will put the electrics under the seat. I did some measuring and it will actually fit pretty easy. All that leaves now is a new oil tank. I might look into putting the oil tank where a Santee box would normally go and see if that leaves me enough room to run a factory airbox. I'm afraid the frame might not allow an airbox,though. More measuring to come soon...
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So I've been too lazy to mount the new tank yet,but I did get motivated to start on the hydraulic clutch conversion. And I need some advice.

First off,it took fooorever to get the clutch cover trued up in the lathe. Pretty close to an hour actually. But I got the centered bored out for the slave cylinder mount and I also leveled the three mounting lugs for the outer cover. This will allow for the new cover I have in mind.



Very humble beginnings. I made this mount out of a scrap piece and Im pretty sure it's too short. I think the pushrod that will connect the slave cylinder to the pressure plate will need more support (lengthwise)than what this will allow(more on that later),but it gives you an idea of what I'm going after.


If you look at the piston in the slave cylinder you see a divot in the center. A single ball bearing goes there,so I have the option to let the pushrod spin with the engine vs. the stock setup where the clutch pushrod is static.

I'll weld the mount to the cover and the slave cylinder has an o-ring where it mounts up,so it'll be easy to seal it all up.


The pressure plate has a pretty beefy ball bearing where the stock pushrod comes in to contact with it,but remember the stock setup is not in constant contact-it runs with slack in the setup so this bearing does not turn nonstop. Only when you pull in the clutch lever.


And that where I need advice: should I run a static pushrod or allow it to spin?

Now,since this slave cylinder is self-adjusting there will be no slack in the system. The pushrod will remain in contact with the slave cylinder piston and the throwout bearing on the pressure plate at all times. This is not an issue with the slave cylinder since it is designed for this. Personally,even though it's not running in constant contact in stock form, I think the stock throwout bearing will hold up to constant duty since it's such a pretty beefy little dude and it does have a constant supply of oil. But,if the pushrod is allowed to spin between these two bearings it will obviously need it's own bearing to spin in as well. That's where I need advice. My idea on this is to use a needle bearing without an inner race and let the pushrod ride directly on the needles.Remember,it has to slide freely to and fro inside the bearing to actuate the clutch. If I make the pushrod out of polished stainless steel and it rides on the needles will that hold up,or do I need tool steel for this?

The other idea is to build a captured pushrod that doesn't spin and eliminate the bearing issue for the pushrod. That still has the throwout bearing serving constant duty,but that's gonna happen either way. In my mind this would be best since no moving parts means no possible wear,but how would I make a pushrod that is captured/doesn't spin? It would still need a bushing to slide on,but that's simple to work out. The only way I can think to make a captured pushrod is to make one with an ear on it that rides in a keyway in the bushing. The ear and keyway are two things I dont have the tools to pull off. And I don't want to farm out any machine work. I'd rather do it all in house if possible.

So,any ideas? Hit me up,please.
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TOOLS1
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Again you are over thinking things. The clutch setups that I have worked on that use a hydraulic slave cylinder are not any different then the clutch setups that use a mechanical pushrod. I have never seen a bearing between the push rod, and the clutch. The slave cylinder will pull the push rod back enough to release any measurable tension. I would just JB Weld a ball bearing onto the end of the push rod to contact the concave point on the pressure plate, and call it good.
TOOLS
Life is not about the number of breaths, you take, but the moments that take your breath away.
I don't have an anger problem. I have an idiot problem. Hank Hill
Never confuse education for intelligence.
Happiness is a belt fed weapon.
I just can't imagine what could go wrong.
No fire? No explosions? So whats the point of your story?
Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber. ~Plato
It couldn't be done, but the darn fool didn't know it, and did it anyway.
We all got problems. Ksharp
I like vintage bikes because they take me away from the clutter of technology that I work with everyday and back to a simpler time of mechanical elegance and simplicity.. "ninadm"
Darkwing Duck: The worst part of public transportation is the Public.
"That is awesome shit there" Re-Run
"Fear nothing, attack everything" Eric Berry
" Oh, you read that on the internet? Clearly it IS a massive problem. Of course it CAN’t be normal operation."

1976 CB 750-A X 2
1977 CB 750-A X 4
1977 CB 750-K
1976 CB 750 F
1981 CB 750
1966 Kawasaki SG 250
1981 KZ 750 LTD
1973 CB 350
1979 CM 185 Twinstar
1982 Honda XL 80
South of Eden (Kansas City MO)
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I already have a bearing on both ends of the pushrod. One on the slave, the other is the throwout. The bearing I'm concerned with is the one needed to support the pushrod itself. It needs some to spin inside of. It won't float on it's own and it will gall the aluminum case if allowed to run without a bearing.
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shinyribs wrote
I already have a bearing on both ends of the pushrod. One on the slave, the other is the throwout. The bearing I'm concerned with is the one needed to support the pushrod itself. It needs some to spin inside of. It won't float on it's own and it will gall the aluminum case if allowed to run without a bearing.
Well why didn't you say so? Your shaft will be just fine spinning in the aluminum case as long as it has oil. However if you are really worried, use a bronze bushing. However I doubt it will do much spinning, as the contact pressure is barely measurable.
TOOLS  
Life is not about the number of breaths, you take, but the moments that take your breath away.
I don't have an anger problem. I have an idiot problem. Hank Hill
Never confuse education for intelligence.
Happiness is a belt fed weapon.
I just can't imagine what could go wrong.
No fire? No explosions? So whats the point of your story?
Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber. ~Plato
It couldn't be done, but the darn fool didn't know it, and did it anyway.
We all got problems. Ksharp
I like vintage bikes because they take me away from the clutter of technology that I work with everyday and back to a simpler time of mechanical elegance and simplicity.. "ninadm"
Darkwing Duck: The worst part of public transportation is the Public.
"That is awesome shit there" Re-Run
"Fear nothing, attack everything" Eric Berry
" Oh, you read that on the internet? Clearly it IS a massive problem. Of course it CAN’t be normal operation."

1976 CB 750-A X 2
1977 CB 750-A X 4
1977 CB 750-K
1976 CB 750 F
1981 CB 750
1966 Kawasaki SG 250
1981 KZ 750 LTD
1973 CB 350
1979 CM 185 Twinstar
1982 Honda XL 80
South of Eden (Kansas City MO)
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